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Post by šrincess šµuvstarr on Nov 22, 2023 13:05:28 GMT
I can't find any either, or a reference to the ghosts of the princes earlier than Underwood. I did find one Tower ghost (there is a ghost of an archbishop mentioned from the early times of the Tower, but he disappeared shortly after being sighted) reference:
A SPACIOUS and secluded house was found for Percy in the Martin tower, on the north-east angle of the Ballium wall ; a house which had been occupied before his time by Lord Rochfort and other gentlemen connected with Anne Boleyn ; which was occupied after his time by Archbishop Sancroft and his fellow-sufferers in the church. The vaults of this mural tower, which are exceedingly strong, were used during many reigns as the royal jewel-house ; and here occurred the desperate attempt of Colonel Blood to steal the crown. Here also occurred the comicalities of the Tower ghost. But the ghost which haunts the stairs and terraces around the Martin tower is that of Harry Percy, who lay in it for sixteen years, and whose quaint garb, unusual studies, and strancre companionship, caused him to be known as " The Wizard Earl."
Her Majesty's Tower by William Hepworth Dixon. from 1901.
It is Harry Percy of the famous Percy family.
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Post by šrincess šµuvstarr on Nov 22, 2023 13:21:19 GMT
There were rumours at the time that the princes were dead; Dominic Mancini, an Italian priest who was in England at the time, in a document written in 1483 repeats them: " already there was a suspicion that he (Edward) had been done away with." "Whether, however, he has been done away with and by what manner of death so far I have not at all discovered."
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Post by šrincess šµuvstarr on Nov 22, 2023 16:13:07 GMT
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Post by dem bones on Nov 23, 2023 7:57:42 GMT
It gives a tradition of where the alleged assassins buried the bodies originally. It is from Walks in London by Augustus J. C. Hare, published 1878. Nothing spectral is however mentioned in this book. From what I've read of his work it is unlike Hare to be so reticent. Augustus Hare Society: Ghost StoriesHe also made significant contributions to the Monster of Glamis and Dufferin Curse 'fact'-files.
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Post by dem bones on Nov 29, 2023 13:52:15 GMT
Should've learnt by now, we exonerate Elliott O'Donnell early at our peril ... ā By Elliott O'Donnell, the Famous Investigator and Author of over Twenty Books on the Subject, The Leicester Mercury, 19th Nov. 1936. ā From Pictures in the fire by 'Sabretache,' The Tatler, 22 October 1930. Perhaps surprisingly, O'Donnell makes no mention of the murdered Princes in a chapter devoted to The Tower of London and Bethlehem Asylum in his Ghosts of London (Philip Allan, 1932). I've not seen a copy of the later Haunted Britain ā(Rider and Co,. 1949), but the biblio in Richard Whittington Egan's The Master Ghost Hunter, confirms that it includes a chaper on The Tower of London Ghosts, so perhaps they get more of a look in second time around? It may be telling that Peter Underwood lists Haunted Britain in the Select Bibliography at back of his Haunted London.
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Post by šrincess šµuvstarr on Nov 29, 2023 14:15:28 GMT
I haven't been able to find the princes statue anywhere.
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Post by šrincess šµuvstarr on Nov 29, 2023 15:25:14 GMT
Perhaps surprisingly, O'Donnell makes no mention of the murdered Princes in a chapter devoted to The Tower of London and Bethlehem Asylum in his Ghosts of London (Philip Allan, 1932). I've not seen a copy of the later Haunted Britain ā(Rider and Co,. 1949), but the biblio in Richard Whittington Egan's The Master Ghost Hunter, confirms that it includes a chaper on The Tower of London Ghosts, so perhaps they get more of a look in second time around? It may be telling that Peter Underwood lists Haunted Britain in the Select Bibliography at back of his Haunted London. Haunted Britain ā(Rider and Co,. 1949) I can't find this book online. A lot of them are, my ebook site had a megapack, but it isn't in it.
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Post by dem bones on Nov 29, 2023 15:58:33 GMT
Perhaps surprisingly, O'Donnell makes no mention of the murdered Princes in a chapter devoted to The Tower of London and Bethlehem Asylum in his Ghosts of London (Philip Allan, 1932). I've not seen a copy of the later Haunted Britain ā(Rider and Co,. 1949), but the biblio in Richard Whittington Egan's The Master Ghost Hunter, confirms that it includes a chaper on The Tower of London Ghosts, so perhaps they get more of a look in second time around? It may be telling that Peter Underwood lists Haunted Britain in the Select Bibliography at back of his Haunted London. Haunted Britain ā(Rider and Co,. 1949) I can't find this book online. A lot of them are, my ebook site had a megapack, but it isn't in it. Found a copy in the public library system, but the site won't let me loan it. Will pop into the local branch tomorrow, see if they can help. Beginning to suspect the chapter on the Tower of London Ghosts is where the pathetic spectres in "white nightgowns" thing originated.
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Post by Swampirella on Nov 29, 2023 17:23:57 GMT
Haunted Britain ā(Rider and Co,. 1949) I can't find this book online. A lot of them are, my ebook site had a megapack, but it isn't in it. Found a copy in the public library system, but the site won't let me loan it. Will pop into the local branch tomorrow, see if they can help. Beginning to suspect the chapter on the Tower of London Ghosts is where the pathetic spectres in "white nightgowns" thing originated. I got home a short while ago & checked my copy of Haunted Britain. No mention whatsoever of the Princes in the Tower of London chapter, I'm afraid. Just three and a half pages about the strange cylindrical cloudy vapourous shape that appeared to Edmund Swift, Keeper of the Crown Jewels and his sister-in-law, and various sightings of Anne Boleyn.
Shocking to see that I'd bought it in 2000 from somebody in Earl's Court, London (via abebooks, no doubt), for only 5 pounds plus 95p shipping. Shipping alone is at least that much, usually more.
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Post by dem bones on Nov 29, 2023 21:29:55 GMT
I got home a short while ago & checked my copy of Haunted Britain. No mention whatsoever of the Princes in the Tower of London chapter, I'm afraid. Just three and a half pages about the strange cylindrical cloudy vapourous shape that appeared to Edmund Swift, Keeper of the Crown Jewels and his sister-in-law, and various sightings of Anne Boleyn. Shocking to see that I'd bought it in 2000 from somebody in Earl's Court, London (via abebooks, no doubt), for only 5 pounds plus 95p shipping. Shipping alone is at least that much, usually more. Thanks ever so for checking, Swampi. A bit surprised that he should have referenced the Princes in the earlier news item, but not in the book. Peter Underwood now reinstated as #1 nightgowngate suspect.
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Post by dem bones on Dec 5, 2023 19:23:09 GMT
Landed a copy of Peter Underwood's A-Z of British Ghosts (Chancellor Press, 1992; originally Souvenir Press, 1971) for a Ā£1 at Saturday's market. Assuming the Chancellor reissue is a straight reprint of the Souvenir original, here's an earlier Underwood mention of the Ghosts of the Princes (the book predates his Haunted London by two years). No ghosts in this next item. I believe the Hall of Tableaux was destroyed in the second Great Fire of Tussauds fire in March 1925 ā Daily Mirror Pantomime Edition, 30 December 1911
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Post by helrunar on Dec 5, 2023 20:25:19 GMT
I'd forgotten that Bloody Judge Jeffreys died in the Tower, of kidney disease the internet says. Further reports say that this villainous man was terrified of being killed at the hands of an avenging mob and thus he was sent to the Tower, it is said, for his own protection.
From Leigh Hunt:
Jeffreys ... was first interred privately in the Tower; but three years afterwards, when his memory was something blown over, his friends obtained permission, by a warrant of the queen's dated September 1692, to take his remains under their own care, and he was accordingly reinterred in a vault under the communion table of St Mary, Aldermanbury, 2nd Nov. 1694. In 1810, during certain repairs, the coffin was uncovered for a time, and the public had sight of the box containing the mortal remains of the feared and hated magistrate.
One wonders if there have been sightings of his restless spirit in that church (if it still stands). The evil spectre of Judge Jeffreys makes a memorable appearance in the novel Tamsin, by Peter Beagle. Christopher Lee played Jeffreys in the awkwardly photographed, historically dubious but still entertaining film The Bloody Judge, directed in the late 1960s by Jesus Franco.
Hel.
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Post by dem bones on Dec 5, 2023 20:32:31 GMT
I'd forgotten that Bloody Judge Jeffreys died in the Tower, of kidney disease the internet says. Further reports say that this villainous man was terrified of being killed at the hands of an avenging mob and thus he was sent to the Tower, it is said, for his own protection. From Leigh Hunt: Jeffreys ... was first interred privately in the Tower; but three years afterwards, when his memory was something blown over, his friends obtained permission, by a warrant of the queen's dated September 1692, to take his remains under their own care, and he was accordingly reinterred in a vault under the communion table of St Mary, Aldermanbury, 2nd Nov. 1694. In 1810, during certain repairs, the coffin was uncovered for a time, and the public had sight of the box containing the mortal remains of the feared and hated magistrate.One wonders if there have been sightings of his restless spirit in that church (if it still stands). The evil spectre of Judge Jeffreys makes a memorable appearance in the novel Tamsin, by Peter Beagle. Christopher Lee played Jeffreys in the awkwardly photographed, historically dubious but still entertaining film The Bloody Judge, directed in the late 1960s by Jesus Franco. Hel. Jeffreys ghost gets around a bit. The Tower, Wapping Old Stair, a Welsh hotel room ...
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