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Post by ripper on Dec 30, 2022 13:55:14 GMT
Because it isn't a proper Christmas annual without Misty. That's Gilles de Rais, isn't it? I thought that he was executed?
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Post by Swampirella on Dec 30, 2022 14:33:56 GMT
Because it isn't a proper Christmas annual without Misty. That's Gilles de Rais, isn't it? I thought that he was executed? It is & he was. After 1432, Rais was accused of engaging in a series of child murders, with victims possibly numbering in the hundreds. The killings came to an end in 1440, when a violent dispute with a clergyman led to an ecclesiastical investigation that brought the crimes to light, and attributed them to Rais. At his trial, the parents of missing children in the surrounding area and Rais's own confederates in crime testified against him. He was condemned to death and hanged at Nantes on 26 October 1440.
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Post by helrunar on Dec 30, 2022 14:57:53 GMT
As always, I love your Misty scans. Lurid stuff for what I thought was a Seventies girls' mag but perhaps I misunderstood the intended audience. (And all the women I've ever known who are huge classic horror fans are now tapping me invisibly on the shoulder and demanding "And your point is, Hel???") This is of interest: www.atlasobscura.com/articles/gilles-de-rais-bluebeardEarlier this month I re-read Josephine Tey's classic novel about the Richard III case, The Daughter of Time, which presents a very persuasive case for Richard's innocence of the murder of the boys in the Tower (spoiler alert: it was Henry VII, who had much clearer motives and means). I then viewed this extremely naff presentation by some telly hackette named Lucy Worsley in which none of the significant questions were asked, and Richard was still held "guilty as charged"--so much for rehabilitation campagins. I've read that there were a large quantity of human remains, and most from what I recall reading were children, that were reportedly exhumed from the grounds of the de Retz manor--if those truly were dead kids, one has to wonder just who killed them. Holiday cheer, Hel.
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Post by Swampirella on Dec 30, 2022 15:11:16 GMT
As always, I love your Misty scans. Lurid stuff for what I thought was a Seventies girls' mag but perhaps I misunderstood the intended audience. (And all the women I've ever known who are huge classic horror fans are now tapping me invisibly on the shoulder and demanding "And your point is, Hel???") This is of interest: www.atlasobscura.com/articles/gilles-de-rais-bluebeardEarlier this month I re-read Josephine Tey's classic novel about the Richard III case, The Daughter of Time, which presents a very persuasive case for Richard's innocence of the murder of the boys in the Tower (spoiler alert: it was Henry VII, who had much clearer motives and means). I then viewed this extremely naff presentation by some telly hackette named Lucy Worsley in which none of the significant questions were asked, and Richard was still held "guilty as charged"--so much for rehabilitation campagins. I've read that there were a large quantity of human remains, and most from what I recall reading were children, that were reportedly exhumed from the grounds of the de Retz manor--if those truly were dead kids, one has to wonder just who killed them. Holiday cheer, Hel. “Telly hackette”? 😅😅. I’ll have you know: Dr Lucy Worsley OBE (born 18 December 1973) is a British historian, author, curator, and television presenter.[1] She is joint chief curator at Historic Royal Palaces but is best known as a presenter of BBC Television series on historical topics. I think I watched that presentation too & was equally disappointed with the outcome.
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Post by ripper on Dec 30, 2022 16:46:15 GMT
That's Gilles de Rais, isn't it? I thought that he was executed? It is & he was. After 1432, Rais was accused of engaging in a series of child murders, with victims possibly numbering in the hundreds. The killings came to an end in 1440, when a violent dispute with a clergyman led to an ecclesiastical investigation that brought the crimes to light, and attributed them to Rais. At his trial, the parents of missing children in the surrounding area and Rais's own confederates in crime testified against him. He was condemned to death and hanged at Nantes on 26 October 1440. Thank you, Miss S. I guess that having de Rais being tormented by supernatural forces and gradually going insane fitted the ghost narrative better than torment and execution. With regard to Richard and the Princes, I think I remember a programme on TV many years ago that presented the cases for both guilt and innocence, though it has been so long ago I don't recall what was the verdict. The events were also covered in the 1976 BBC series 'Second Verdict' in which fictional detectives Barlow and Watt investigated controversial cases such as that of Lizzie Borden, the Lindbergh kidnapping, the Reichstag fire, and the Princes in the Tower. Again, it has been so long that I just can't remember the conclusion regarding Richard's guilt or innocence.
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Post by ripper on Dec 30, 2022 16:59:53 GMT
The programme is on Youtube in multiple parts, 'The Trial of King Richard the Third'. Sadly, there doesn't seem to be anything of the Barlow and Watt 'Second Verdict' episode--no idea if the recordings still exist.
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Post by helrunar on Dec 30, 2022 20:52:06 GMT
I was... is appalled too strong a word?? ... quite STARTLED to say the least when I read up on Ms Worsley's credentials after viewing that program. While watching I kept saying to myself, "OK, she's just some hackette from Royalty rag or Hello! they've dolled up for these shows." Then I find out that she's a very distinguished individual in the ranks of museumaria and academia. All I can say is if this is the face of 21st century decadence, it's even more banal and lacklustre than I had imagined.
But why lacerate myself. She sells the shows and nobody really cares what happened in history. That's become blatantly obvious as time goes on.
cheers, Hel
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Post by andydecker on Dec 30, 2022 22:34:32 GMT
She sells the shows and nobody really cares what happened in history. That's become blatantly obvious as time goes on. cheers, Hel I wouldn't go so far. No doubt historical programes are often very superficial. After seeing one 'documentary' too much which was done like an underwhelming episode of CSI I gave up on the History Channel and others.
But to my surprise I discovered very in-depth documentaries distributed on youtube of all things. Things like WWII Week for Week - it covers the war corresponding to the historic dates, the episode last week no. 226 covered the week of December 24th 1943 for instance - with its accompanying material like the excellent War Against Humanity is better done than quite a few 'professional' documentaries. Its production firm Timeghost Army is a small European outfit, but they do the episodes in English language.
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