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Post by šrincess šµuvstarr on Jul 13, 2021 13:37:29 GMT
This is a work in progress.
"the Gothic novel as it emerges in France and Germany is not merely to be defined in terms of the devices employed by Radcliffe and Lewis, but that it is a hybrid of forms and influences. German Gothic and French Gothic are understood here in the inclusive rather than exclusive sense suggested by the working definition, and have been preferred to the terms Schauerroman and roman noir. This does not mean that they are seen as offshoots of or footnotes to the English Gothic, quite the opposite."
Hall, Daniel, French and German Gothic Fiction in the Late Eighteenth Century (Oxford: Peter Lang, 2005) p. 18.
Von Wilpertās Sachworterbuch der Literatur, for example, defines Schauerroman as a 'bewuBt auf Schauereffekte angelegter Roman, der sich durch Schauplatz, [...] unheimliche Requisite!! [...] und mysteriose, ubernatiirliche, oder erst spater naturlich erklarbare Ereig- nisse mit raffiniertem Spannungsaufbau in sich steigernden Stufen des Schreckens besonders an die Phantasie der Leser wendetā.
Von Wilpertās Sachworterbuch der Literatur, for example, defines Schauerroman as a 'A novel designed consciously for horror effects, which moves through the setting, [...] uncanny props !! [...] and mysterious, supernatural, or only later naturally explainable events with a sophisticated build-up of tension in increasing levels of horror, particularly addresses the reader's imaginationā.
Hall, Daniel, French and German Gothic Fiction in the Late Eighteenth Century (Oxford: Peter Lang, 2005) p. 20.
German Gothic author list:
Heinrich Zschokke's AbƤllino
Ludwig von Baczko
Christian Friedrich von Blankenburg
Gottfried August BĆ¼rger
Johann Baptist Durach
Stephanie-Felicite Ducrest de Saint-Aubin, marquise de Sillery, comtesse de Genlis
Heinrich Wilhelm von Gerstenberg
Sophie Albrecht's Das hƶfliche Gespenst
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
Karl Grosse
Karl Friedrich Kahlert
Georg Adam Keyser
Heinrich von Kleist
Christiane Benedikte Eugenie Naubert
Friedrich Eberhard Rambach
Friedrich von Schiller
Carl August Gottlieb Seidel
Christian fteinrich Spiess,
Ludwig Tieck
Catejan Tschink
Christian August Vulpius
Wilhelm Heinrich Wackenroder
Veit Weber
Johann Heinrich David Zschokke
List of books by authors, and English translations where available to come.
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Post by helrunar on Jul 13, 2021 13:50:39 GMT
A friend of mine who's been doing a podcast on my all-time favorite Gothic television serial of the 1960s, Dark Shadows, pointed out in a preliminary discussion that the classic Gothic involves high, expressive emotionality and pathos. So when people complain about florid writing and/or hammy acting in Gothic horror books or films, it would seem they're rather missing the point. Extreme theatricality is a hallmark of the Gothic and was certainly present in Guillermo del Toro's Crimson Peak, which I think you might enjoy, Princess Anastasia. Of course you would need to close your eyes when the boudoir scene begins lest you catch a glimpse of Tom Hiddleston's luscious bum--I shudder to think how many Hail Marys Mother Superior would impose upon you for such a delectable peccadillo.
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Post by šrincess šµuvstarr on Jul 13, 2021 13:56:31 GMT
A friend of mine who's been doing a podcast on my all-time favorite Gothic television serial of the 1960s, Dark Shadows, pointed out in a preliminary discussion that the classic Gothic involves high, expressive emotionality and pathos. So when people complain about florid writing and/or hammy acting in Gothic horror books or films, it would seem they're rather missing the point. Extreme theatricality is a hallmark of the Gothic and was certainly present in Guillermo del Toro's Crimson Peak, which I think you might enjoy, Princess Anastasia. Of course you would need to close your eyes when the boudoir scene begins lest you catch a glimpse of Tom Hiddleston's luscious bum--I shudder to think how many Hail Marys Mother Superior would impose upon you for such a delectable peccadillo. H. She has just read this, as she checks my posts, and says you are definitely a Protestant. |
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Post by šrincess šµuvstarr on Jul 13, 2021 14:01:23 GMT
A friend of mine who's been doing a podcast on my all-time favorite Gothic television serial of the 1960s, Dark Shadows, pointed out in a preliminary discussion that the classic Gothic involves high, expressive emotionality and pathos. So when people complain about florid writing and/or hammy acting in Gothic horror books or films, it would seem they're rather missing the point. Extreme theatricality is a hallmark of the Gothic H. it's what the audience wanted. I'm sure they would have booed, and not in a nice way, Tod Slaughter, if he had tried to act like Laurence Olivier. |
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Post by šrincess šµuvstarr on Jul 13, 2021 14:18:02 GMT
A friend of mine who's been doing a podcast on my all-time favorite Gothic television serial of the 1960s, Dark Shadows, pointed out in a preliminary discussion that the classic Gothic involves high, expressive emotionality and pathos. So when people complain about florid writing and/or hammy acting in Gothic horror books or films, it would seem they're rather missing the point. Extreme theatricality is a hallmark of the Gothic H. it's what the audience wanted. I'm sure they would have booed, and not in a nice way, Tod Slaughter, if he had tried to act like Laurence Olivier. Laurence Olivier was successful on stage and screen. I read he won four Oscars. I think back then actors were expected to be trained for the stage in this country, in order to be successful and get on in the profession. I know Richard Burton was classically trained and did seasons in repertoire. They seemed long and grueling, I think he hated them, as he got bored. Now It doesn't happen as much. I can only think of Kenneth Branagh as a modern actor in that tradition. There are successful stage actors, but they tend to do character parts (I mean in films). |
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Post by helrunar on Jul 13, 2021 14:47:22 GMT
LOL about Protestant... I was confirmed in the Anglican church, which in the US is known as "Episcopalianism" which seems to mean "the religion of the Bishops"--cue tirade from Mr John Milton.
I changed religions in my early 20s. I'm sure it's a very boring topic to 99.99 percent of the audience here so that's all I will say about that.
cheers, Hel
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Post by Middoth on Jul 13, 2021 15:52:49 GMT
Brian Stableford,
the man who knows everything about French gothic. Look at Black Goat Press list.
Standouts:
Vampire City by Paul FĆ©val
Phantoms by Charles-Marie Flor OāSquarr Danse Macabre by Paul Lacroix
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Post by šrincess šµuvstarr on Jul 13, 2021 16:48:43 GMT
Brian Stableford,
the man who knows everything about French gothic. Look at Black Goat Press list.
He has a nice smile, and looks a kind, gentle man. My online ebook site has quite a few by him. They mostly have horrible covers however. I don't know why you would even use these covers, as they are so bad. Computer-generated. There are a lot of SF, so I'll avoid them. Of those that aren't Sf there is The Cthulhu Encryption, The Innsmouth Heritage and Other Sequels, The Legacy of Erich Zann and Other Tales of the Cthulhu Mythos, Yesterday Never Dies: A Romance of Metempsychosis, Sheena and Other Gothic Tales, The Devil in Detail, The Best of Both Worlds and Other Ambiguous Tales, The Return of the Djinn and Other Black Melodramas, Vampires of Atlantis: A Love Story, The Alchemy of Blood: A Scientific Romance, The Darkling Wood. It doesn't seem to have any of his non-fiction. What should I try? |
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Post by Middoth on Jul 13, 2021 16:59:29 GMT
Vampire City by Paul FĆ©val
He has a nice smile, and looks a kind, gentle man.
Much kinder and gentler than I.
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Post by andydecker on Jul 13, 2021 17:57:10 GMT
Brian Stableford,
the man who knows everything about French gothic. Look at Black Goat Press list. Standouts:
Vampire City by Paul FĆ©val Phantoms by Charles-Marie Flor OāSquarr Danse Macabre by Paul Lacroix Stableford has done a lot of interesting things for this imprint, like the Lofficier's did. But frankly those French classics are mostly hard to read, the forewords are more interesting than some of the actual texts. I tried to read the original Fantomas three times but never managed to get past the early chapters. |
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Post by Middoth on Jul 13, 2021 19:15:33 GMT
I have a soft spot for french weird, especially of the 20th century.
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Post by andydecker on Jul 13, 2021 21:54:15 GMT
I have a soft spot for french weird, especially of the 20th century.
Me too. The sheer volume of French genre works is staggering. Even if the original SF and Horror were never as commercially successful as crime and espionage in France. And next to nothing got foreign rights sold.
Those works are truly different in terms of approach and storytelling compared to your average anglo-american weird tale. Writers like Jean Ray or Agapit have written facinating stories and novels. Writers like Caroff or Limat, who tried to copy american crime or thrillers, often didn't work so well.
thanks for the link. Something useful.
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Post by šrincess šµuvstarr on Jul 14, 2021 16:56:55 GMT
Vampire City by Paul FĆ©val
He has a nice smile, and looks a kind, gentle man.
Much kinder and gentler than I.
I'm sure you are very nice. |
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Post by Middoth on Oct 28, 2021 9:59:52 GMT
I remembered two brilliant examples of German Gothic, which have 2 American twins.
1) "Der gelbe SchƤdel" (The Yellow Skull) by Georg von der Gabelentz
the artist falls under the fatal spell of Cagliostro's skull and becomes a murderer himself.
I do not know about you, but I was struck by the similarity of the plot with one of Amicus film based on the veteran of the scene palp.
2) "Der rote Marchese" (Red marquis) by F.C. Oberg
A villain who has angered God himself is doomed to reincarnate and die a thousand deaths.
but here we are talking about similarities with the much less famous "Midnight" by Jack Snow. The German version is more reminiscent of "Melmoth the Wanderer", even there is an ominous portrait.
And if "Das Grabmal auf dem Pere Lacheise" (The tomb on the Pere Lachaise) by Karl Hans Strobl undoubtedly recalled Jean Ray when he wrote the "Cemetery watchman", then in this case such a thing is excluded. Jean Ray's version is, by the way, more vigorous
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