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Post by Knygathin on Apr 7, 2020 17:15:31 GMT
J. Allen St John's Burroughs work is gorgeous. His Mars paintings are my favorites. Very different in every respect from Frazetta, whose male figures had a pornographic edge for me as a teen. Oddly, in St John's Wikipedia entry, both Roy Krenkel and Frazetta are described as "disciples" of St John. I can maybe see it in Krenkel, but not at all in Frazetta. ... H.
This is the only Tarzan I have with a Frazetta cover. It is, of course, incredible. In every way. As always with Frazetta it is pure genius, complete control, expressive, and sharp in details. But Frank Frazetta was himself a kind of Tarzan, a very strong, and very fast athlete. Otherwise I don't think he would have been able to conceive it like this. An early small format Ace paperback. I cherish it like a jewel.
I see a few similarities between St. John and Frazetta. Subject matter and scene compositions are more or less the same. They have similar action poses and tumbling fights. Similar anatomy, for example the hard and stringy arm muscles. But I can also agree that they are somehow worlds apart. In mentality. Frazetta is rebel. St. John is the king's court painter.
But I am still most enamored with Edward Mortelmans's Tarzan illustrations. He is spot on, and not too stylish. And he paints a lovely Jane.
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Post by andydecker on Apr 7, 2020 17:44:12 GMT
Tarzan 1 I read as a young lad in a sanitized children edition. Hard to believe such things existed and sold like hotcakes. I loved the book, don't know how often I read this. Of course in my childhood Tarzan was always onTV, I grew up with Gordon Scott and Ron Ely. The one with the monsters and the giant spider haunted me
But later I thought Tarzan not very appealing any longer. Maybe I had seen too many lousy Tarzan movies. One comic relief monkey too many. Also I didn't bother with the new movies.
Still, I like some Burroughs, I have the Venus novels, some Mars and even two or three Tarzan. The Ballantine edition. A Neal Adams cover and a Vallejo. Or is it a Jusko? Always wanted to re-read the one with Opar.
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Post by Jojo Lapin X on Apr 7, 2020 17:47:37 GMT
Always wanted to re-read the one with Opar. There are several. Off the top of my head, THE RETURN OF TARZAN, TARZAN AND THE JEWELS OF OPAR, and TARZAN AND THE GOLDEN LION.
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Post by helrunar on Apr 7, 2020 18:23:30 GMT
Hi Knythagin,
Which Tarzan title is your Frazetta cover? I'd like to look it up on a search engine. Unfortunately the image is not displaying for me.
You know, I can see some St John influence in Frazetta's Barsoom paintings which were done for a Doubleday Science Fiction Book Club originally. I used to own those books, but alas, they went the way of all flesh.
Also, Frazetta did a painting for the Joy Chant novel, Red Moon, Black Mountain (another Doubleday cloth ed.) which may be my favorite of ALL Frazetta's paintings despite the lack of bulging male protuberances. (The Sea Witch is another strong candidate for fave Frazetta rave.)
cheers, H.
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Post by andydecker on Apr 7, 2020 18:36:31 GMT
The finest Tarzan art I've seen has to be the work of Hal Foster. I checked out from the library back in the early 70s an adaptation of Tarzan of the Apes Foster did--it was republished in an attractively printed single volume with full color. Maybe around '74 or '75 I think, so mid 70s rather than early. Some of those panels, too, really rang my chimes. He had a beautiful mastery of the nude male figure. Gorgeous work. H. While I know that Foster did Tarzan, I have never seen the work. Only his Prince Valiant. I bought a Hogarth collection from Dark Horse, an adaption of the first novel. Some beautiful illustrations. I was quite surprised that there was a lot of nude Tarzan butt on the pages. I seem to remember that his was a collection of Sunday pages in colour.
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Post by Knygathin on Apr 7, 2020 18:44:42 GMT
Hi Knythagin, Which Tarzan title is your Frazetta cover? I'd like to look it up on a search engine. Unfortunately the image is not displaying for me. ... cheers, H. Hi helrunar, That is Tarzan and the Jewels of Opar, published by Ace in 1963.
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Post by andydecker on Apr 7, 2020 18:54:49 GMT
Hi Knythagin, Which Tarzan title is your Frazetta cover? I'd like to look it up on a search engine. Unfortunately the image is not displaying for me. Use the ISFDB. There are long listings of artists and their work. Cross-indexed, if you are in luck. Of course most of the included covers are only thumbprints, sometimes a bit bigger if you click on it. You have to click a lot and do a lot of scrolling down, but all of Frazetta's Tarzan covers are included.
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Post by andydecker on Apr 7, 2020 19:03:50 GMT
Always wanted to re-read the one with Opar. There are several. Off the top of my head, THE RETURN OF TARZAN, TARZAN AND THE JEWELS OF OPAR, and TARZAN AND THE GOLDEN LION. Interesting. I assumed that there is only one and never checked it. I have JEWELS.
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Post by jamesdoig on Apr 7, 2020 20:56:29 GMT
I've a couple of packs of Frazetta collectable cards, and these have some of his Tarzan art:
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Post by Dr Strange on Apr 7, 2020 21:00:14 GMT
Another John Collier one about a lake monster - Incident On A Lake (New Yorker Magazine, 1941; Fancies & Goodnights, 1951).
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Post by Knygathin on Apr 7, 2020 21:31:24 GMT
For cryptozoology I would recommend Clark Ashton Smith's "The Flower Women". They are carnivorous plants, and they mimic female human bodies, growing in clusters by the riverbed. They are just hollow forms shaped from flower petals, but like an overwhelmingly rich orchid, the simulation is so convincingly complete and sexy, that you will be unable to resist its alluring swaying. All your esteemed character, revered shallow integrity, and fancied promises of fidelity, go straight out the window. And you will continue to approach them, like an excited sleepwalker, with eyes wide open, until you are within their concealed tentacles' reach. Thinking you get a whole harem. And then it's too late for you. You have made your last blunder.
I would also recommend Jack Vance's Star King which displays a sophisticated zoology of humanoid plants.
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Post by Swampirella on Apr 7, 2020 21:43:40 GMT
For cryptozoology I would recommend Clark Ashton Smith's "The Flower Women". They are carnivorous plants, and they mimic female human bodies, growing in clusters by the riverbed. They are just hollow forms shaped from flower petals, but like an overwhelmingly rich orchid, the simulation is so convincingly complete and sexy, that you will be unable to resist its alluring swaying. All your honorable character, shallow integrity, and fancied promises of fidelity, they go straight out the window. And you will continue to approach them, like an excited sleepwalker, with eyes wide open, until you are within their concealed tentacles' reach. Thinking you get a whole harem. And then it's too late for you. You have made your last blunder. I would also recommend Jack Vance's Star King which displays a sophisticated zoology of humanoid plants. Available here (along with all his other stories & many other works): www.eldritchdark.com/writings/short-stories/73/the-flower-women
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Post by Dr Strange on Apr 7, 2020 22:08:03 GMT
For cryptozoology I would recommend Clark Ashton Smith's "The Flower Women". They are carnivorous plants, Killer plants go here - Plants Hate You
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Post by helrunar on Apr 7, 2020 23:58:57 GMT
James, those are simply stunning! Utterly gorgeous. And some of my old fave raves are in that set.
Thanks for sharing these!
cheers, Helrunar
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Post by andydecker on Apr 8, 2020 7:41:38 GMT
Wonderful!
Can't remember another artist in this field that captured the spirit of such tales better than Frazetta.
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