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Prism
Dec 8, 2010 10:56:30 GMT
Post by peterkc on Dec 8, 2010 10:56:30 GMT
The PDFs were not intended for general distribution -- they were sent to section editors for comments on design and layout and as much proof reading as possible in the limited time available. By sending out PDFs to others, confidence was broken -- and it was also unfair to other people who might've liked to see it (such as Stephen). Sadly, the only person to express strong dislike based on the PDFs is David Riley. But each is entitled to their own opinion. (And you could've offered the coloured artwork David, and not wait to be asked.)
Yes, Stephen, by quality I mean the overall look and feel of the Yearbook. It still sits on my to-be-read shelf, amazingly -- and that shelf grows larger every month. Thus I can't comment on typos in that publication.
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Dec 8, 2010 10:57:58 GMT
Post by David A. Riley on Dec 8, 2010 10:57:58 GMT
"Surely the part of the book that attracted the most praise was the content, the fiction from professional writers - which we paid for."
That would be nice if that always happened. I was asked to contribute a novella to the earlier Houses on the Borderland anthology, edited by David Sutton. Due to many factors, very few copies were sold (most were freebies to BFS members) and the writers have been paid nothing so far.
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Dec 8, 2010 11:03:57 GMT
Post by David A. Riley on Dec 8, 2010 11:03:57 GMT
"(And you could've offered the coloured artwork David, and not wait to be asked.)"
It was available but not offered because I was never made aware it could have been needed. I sent the b&w version (with lettering on it that was removed by whoever did the layout) for the Prism section as its cover. In the end it was published just as a picture. I was told the lettering was removed because neither DH nor NH had their own individual covers.
I doubt whether a horror cover, though, would have been wanted for the Journal.
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Dec 8, 2010 12:19:27 GMT
Post by rolnikov on Dec 8, 2010 12:19:27 GMT
Yes, Stephen, by quality I mean the overall look and feel of the Yearbook. It still sits on my to-be-read shelf, amazingly -- and that shelf grows larger every month. Thus I can't comment on typos in that publication. I'm sure you can see the peculiarity of saying that we should do more publications of that quality when you haven't actually read it... The quality of a book depends for me much more on the content than how much is spent printing it. You're right that there are members who would like the BFS to spend more on printing, and would be willing to pay higher membership fees to fund that. Whether that's a majority of members I would doubt. If David H. had put that as a proposal to the AGM, would it have passed? Either way, printing in hardback when members have only paid enough for printing in paperback doesn't make much sense to me. That would be nice if that always happened. I was asked to contribute a novella to the earlier Houses on the Borderland anthology, edited by David Sutton. Due to many factors, very few copies were sold (most were freebies to BFS members) and the writers have been paid nothing so far. Were you actually offered any payment, though? I contacted several people involved and no one was able to provide a contract or agreement, and the impression I got was that the content was all provided free of charge, as it is for Dark Horizons and Prism. If there was an agreement to pay royalties or a flat fee let David Howe know - he's handling all of that now.
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Dec 8, 2010 12:43:32 GMT
Post by dem bones on Dec 8, 2010 12:43:32 GMT
The PDFs were not intended for general distribution -- they were sent to section editors for comments on design and layout and as much proof reading as possible in the limited time available. By sending out PDFs to others, confidence was broken -- and it was also unfair to other people who might've liked to see it (such as Stephen). thanks for joining, peter and rolnikov. sorry if i jumped the gun by commenting on the Prism content of the Journal too soon. My fault, not the person who kindly sent me a pdf as they thought i might like to review it. i should have checked that the hard copies had been sent, but didn't think to ask so please accept my apologies.
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Dec 8, 2010 12:54:22 GMT
Post by David A. Riley on Dec 8, 2010 12:54:22 GMT
Rolnikov wrote: "Were you actually offered any payment, though? I contacted several people involved and no one was able to provide a contract or agreement, and the impression I got was that the content was all provided free of charge, as it is for Dark Horizons and Prism."
I should perhaps go back and see if I can find a copy of the email originally sent to me by Dave Sutton about it, if it's still on my computer, but my memory seems to be that we were offered royalties for any sales. Naturally, there would have been nothing for the first printing, which was free to BFS members, but there should have been something for any sales of the book after that outside the society. I doubt there have been many sales, though.
Yes, as with Prism, DH and NH, in a sense the stories were free for the BFS membership, but not for sales outside the society.
I am just surprised that the Yearbook offered proper payments. No wonder it almost bankrupted the BFS.
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Dec 8, 2010 12:58:23 GMT
Post by David A. Riley on Dec 8, 2010 12:58:23 GMT
When I took on Prism I tried to find the cheapest printing I could get. Thanks to a tip off from Peter Coleborn, I used Quacks in York. I also ended the use of colour in the bulletin.
I just hope that this latest move into hardback production, with the increase in weight and therefore costlier postage, won't result in another financial disaster for the BFS, especially as it now appears as if DH and NH, which used to be published alternately, are both to be inside the new journal every time.
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Dec 8, 2010 13:50:54 GMT
Post by rolnikov on Dec 8, 2010 13:50:54 GMT
thanks for joining, peter and rolnikov. sorry if i jumped the gun by commenting on the Prism content of the Journal too soon. My fault, not the person who kindly sent me a pdf as they thought i might like to review it. i should have checked that the hard copies had been sent, but didn't think to ask so please accept my apologies. Thanks for the welcome - sorry for invading your board! Don't worry about the pdf - I'm all for sending them to reviewers, finished ones at least. I'd just like one for myself, too.
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Dec 8, 2010 21:09:00 GMT
Post by dem bones on Dec 8, 2010 21:09:00 GMT
Thanks for the welcome - sorry for invading your board! No worries. i seem to recall some of our escaped happy campers once commandeered a BFS thread, so it's only fair .... Don't worry about the pdf - I'm all for sending them to reviewers, finished ones at least. I'd just like one for myself, too. Thanks for that. To be honest, one publisher kindly provides me with copies of their titles for review purposes. These arrive some weeks in advance of the book going on sale so i thought it was normal practice, giving the reviewer/ talent-free hack plenty of time to familiarise him or herself with the content. peterkc, i mean no offence, but your comment "by sending out PDFs to others, confidence was broken" strikes me as somewhat overstating the case.
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Dec 9, 2010 15:32:19 GMT
Post by peterkc on Dec 9, 2010 15:32:19 GMT
peterkc, i mean no offence, but your comment "by sending out PDFs to others, confidence was broken" strikes me as somewhat overstating the case. Maybe a bit OTT, but I meant that the PDF wasn't the final, completed one. I personally wouldn't have great worries about the corrected, ready-for-the-printers PDF going out for review.
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Jun 22, 2016 9:36:48 GMT
Post by Craig Herbertson on Jun 22, 2016 9:36:48 GMT
Sincere commiserations, Mark. A Wordsworth Omnibus of your work would have been lovely. It's a shame there's not an equivalent outlet for contemporary supernatural fiction. Thanks Dem. Alas, if you're not already a big name novelist (or an out-of-copyright corpse), single author short story collections just aren't considered now for publication anywhere in the mainstream. But I'm being grumpy/maudlin again. Apropos of nothing (save cheering myself up) can I recommend The Invasion of the Bee Girls? Public Domain, I believe. Unbelievably super saucy & Vaultish for a "PG" certificate... ooer Mark S. Excellent recommendation from Mark. Having recovered from the perils of 'Prisoners of the Lost Universe' I decided to have another treat with The 'Invasion of the Bee Girls'. Naturally, from the title, I thought this might be a step down from a film with fat cavemen and men in tights. How wrong can one be. The Invasion of the Bee Girls almost fails to live up to vault standards by being well scripted, stylishly produced and wonderfully directed. It has an intelligent cast who can act and a well driven plot. Fortunately plenty of nudity and an unbelievable premise rescue it from the oblivion of mediocre mainstream. Warning - spoiler - bee girls are invading but maybe you can guess that from the title. This was the first attempt by Nicholas Meyer to write for film and well done to him; directed by Denis Sanders who in Hollywood terms didn't do a great deal but should have been awarded several Oscars for keeping me fascinated for over an hour. Fascination was helped by several glimpses of the naked female form - at one point covered in what seemed to be a mix of honey and/or plasticine. The erotic scenes were tastefully done and would have had the audience gasping for more. What amazed me about this film is that the premise - women being genetically modified into bees who kill men in the process of sexual arousal - suggests instant hysterics but in the hands of Sanders, it really works. Might have to watch it again.
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Jun 22, 2016 14:33:56 GMT
Post by dem bones on Jun 22, 2016 14:33:56 GMT
"Ordinary housewives turn into ravishing creatures!" Hi Craig. Not seen 'Prisoner...' but Invasion Of The B Girls has recently seen rotation on either The Horror Channel or Talking Pictures and yeah, it's ... a strange one, definitely deserving of a novelisation treatment that never came. Can't say the erotic scenes had me gasping for more exactly, but could be I was too mesmerised by those big black eyes to take in the finer details.
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Jun 22, 2016 15:13:34 GMT
Post by Craig Herbertson on Jun 22, 2016 15:13:34 GMT
"Ordinary housewives turn into ravishing creatures!" Hi Craig. Not seen 'Prisoner...' but Invasion Of The B Girls has recently seen rotation on either The Horror Channel or Talking Pictures and yeah, it's ... a strange one, definitely deserving of a novelisation treatment that never came. Can't say the erotic scenes had me gasping for more exactly, but could be I was too mesmerised by those big black eyes to take in the finer details. I sensed some kind of perverse relationship with Stepford Wives for some reason - possibly just the sexual undercurrent of previously untapped female eroticism. On the other hand, Terry Marcel's Prisoners (which I enjoyed immensely)was as subtle as well....Hawk the Slayer. In fact if you've been exposed to Hawk the Slayer you've no real need to spend over an hour of your life in the Lost Dimension.
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