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Post by jamesdoig on Oct 16, 2012 7:49:32 GMT
I don't know if you've read 'Show Boat'? Hysterical stuff. On the other hand 'Emphyrio' is one of the best straight fantasy works I've ever read. Haven't read those, but I'll look out for them. This is the collection I read - a lucky purchase at the junk shop. It contains The Dying Earth, The Eyes of the Overworld, Cugel's Saga, and Rhialto the Marvellous.
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Post by Knygathin on Oct 16, 2012 7:50:10 GMT
Isn't Lovecraft a writer of very typical male perspective? I didn't know women enjoy reading him. I am almost tempted to say that quiz show is a setup, and the questions memorized and rehearsed with the young woman, purely for visual entertainment. But I guess she is genuine. She must be a witch or other pagan of some sort. Why should she be? I wouldn't think Lovecraft's perspective is typically male. I thought I'd give you a chance to retrace your own post. Or let someone else answer. I'll let it be for a few more days. You're Ramsey Campbell after all, celebrated author, and your perceptions and wisdom must surely far exceed mine own. I imagine that you have been around a lot, and learned, your position having privileged you to be invited to all kinds of exotic places, to festivities in castles of inaccessible mountain ranges, mansions of secret societies, cult gatherings, and most importantly, having actively observed daily people in the streets, giving you a wide range of knowledge and recognition. Perhaps my notion of fame is romanticized.
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Post by ramseycampbell on Oct 16, 2012 9:55:19 GMT
Why should she be? I wouldn't think Lovecraft's perspective is typically male. I thought I'd give you a chance to retrace your own post. Or let someone else answer. I'll let it be for a few more days. You're Ramsey Campbell after all, celebrated author, and your perceptions and wisdom must surely far exceed mine own. I imagine that you have been around a lot, and learned, your position having privileged you to be invited to all kinds of exotic places, to festivities in castles of inaccessible mountain ranges, mansions of secret societies, cult gatherings, and most importantly, having actively observed daily people in the streets, giving you a wide range of knowledge and recognition. Perhaps my notion of fame is romanticized. Er...
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Post by Jojo Lapin X on Oct 16, 2012 9:57:45 GMT
Yes, we demand to know about the cult gatherings!
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Post by Craig Herbertson on Oct 16, 2012 10:34:57 GMT
I'm particularly keen to know how you accessed these inaccessible mountains.
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Post by ramseycampbell on Oct 16, 2012 10:42:08 GMT
I'm particularly keen to know how you accessed these inaccessible mountains. With a single bound.
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Post by cauldronbrewer on Oct 16, 2012 11:18:55 GMT
Haven't read those, but I'll look out for them. This is the collection I read - a lucky purchase at the junk shop. It contains The Dying Earth, The Eyes of the Overworld, Cugel's Saga, and Rhialto the Marvellous.That's the same edition that I have. Vance writes some of the least naturalistic but funniest dialogue I've ever read. I especially like T he Eyes of the Overworld and "Liane the Wayfarer" from The Dying Earth. The business with Chun the Unavoidable is dark comedy gold.
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Post by Dr Strange on Oct 16, 2012 11:48:56 GMT
Leaping, somewhat reluctantly, to knygathin's defence I've been foolish enough to say that I tend not to go for much women's fiction. An interesting test would be if it were possible to arrange to read some classic stories by male and female authors without knowing which were written by which - there's every possibility that, having decided you don't much like women writers, you simply don't approach their work in the same way. As for women writers that I would recommend - the Wordsworth collections of Marjorie Bowen and of Edith Nesbit are packed full of brilliant stories which, at their best, are every bit as good as Blackwood or Machen. And if these women didn't go in for the mystical mumbo-jumbo of the men, then that's a huge plus in my estimation.
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Post by cauldronbrewer on Oct 16, 2012 12:03:34 GMT
An interesting test would be if it were possible to arrange to read some classic stories by male and female authors without knowing which were written by which That's happened to me by accident before--for example, reading China Mieville (not a woman), Bassett Morgan (not a man), and Mindret Lord (not a woman--I think). It can be an eye-opening, and maybe mind-opening, experience. I would have characterized Robert Aickman's work as essentially masculine in character until I read Elizabeth Jane Howard's "Three Miles Up," which is written in much the same style.
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Post by Jojo Lapin X on Oct 16, 2012 12:20:13 GMT
I cannot say I ever really noticed any distinctive differences between male and female writers, particularly not in genre fiction, except for rare cases where a female writer exhibits some odd notions about male psychology. (I am not saying the reverse never happens; it is just that I might not recognize it.)
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Post by ramseycampbell on Oct 16, 2012 12:55:14 GMT
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Post by Craig Herbertson on Oct 16, 2012 13:08:18 GMT
Leaping, somewhat reluctantly, to knygathin's defence I've been foolish enough to say that I tend not to go for much women's fiction. An interesting test would be if it were possible to arrange to read some classic stories by male and female authors without knowing which were written by which - there's every possibility that, having decided you don't much like women writers, you simply don't approach their work in the same way. As for women writers that I would recommend - the Wordsworth collections of Marjorie Bowen and of Edith Nesbit are packed full of brilliant stories which, at their best, are every bit as good as Blackwood or Machen. And if these women didn't go in for the mystical mumbo-jumbo of the men, then that's a huge plus in my estimation. I agree. especially as I'm the sucker that made all the misogynist remarks and found out I was talking about a bloke.... The Wordsworth editions of Nesbit and Bowen are remarkably good stuff - Can I risk saying that women seem particularly good at ghost stories - probably not with my track record. Take the test if you dare: www.guardian.co.uk/books/quiz/2011/jun/02/naipaul-test-author-s-sex-quiz
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Post by Craig Herbertson on Oct 16, 2012 13:08:45 GMT
I'm particularly keen to know how you accessed these inaccessible mountains. With a single bound.
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Post by Knygathin on Oct 17, 2012 9:01:11 GMT
No one wants to comment on the fact that there are no women discussing on this forum. Only men. (Well, an occasional woman visits and comments, but not regularly.) All you do is attack me, and collectively stick together and make fun of me. (With a few exceptions who want to temperate the lopsidedness. Thanks.)
And why are there no women on here? Because, women simply are not interested in discussing with men. Except with their own husband, and for a purpose that in the end leads to some kind of successful practical result.
Yes, "the sexes do stick to their own". And share their common concerns.
It's the same on every similar forum I visit. Only men.
On the few occasions a woman joins the discussion, she is often patronized. Or encouraged exaggeratedly in a sexist way.
I really don't understand how you all can stick to such politically correct denial. Led by a fad. You're supposed to be enlightened intellectuals. Many of you are sexist, but just don't want to admit it. Squeezing Britt Ekland's butt, without permission, and whatnot.
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Post by Thana Niveau on Oct 17, 2012 9:19:04 GMT
No one wants to comment on the fact that there are no women discussing on this forum. Really? If you weren't trying so desperately to be provocative I doubt there would be anything to poke fun at. Do you honestly expect anyone to take your Normanesque (thanks, Justin!) comments seriously? Sorry, I didn't hear you because I was asking my husband to buy me some designer shoes. I've never felt patronised by either sex on any of the forums I regularly post on. Nor have I ever been treated in a sexist way. But then, the men I have discussions with are a little less Gorean in their outlook, so perhaps they're not "real men" by your standards. And before you ask, yes, I am an actual woman, as many here can attest.
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