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Post by severance on Apr 12, 2010 22:44:53 GMT
sev, if you find the time, fancy reposting your guide to the Saxon pseudonyms from the old place? got a feeling it will come in handy. This is an amalgamation of Dem's bibliography from the old place, together with bits and pieces of info gathered here and there, and is as definitive as I can make it given what info is out there on the worldwide porn web. Some dates might be iffy, of course if anyone has access to the volumes in question, this can always be updated. Black Honey - W. Howard Baker Mayflower, 1968 Five Star, 1972  Peter Saxon - Black Honey par severance_23, on ipernity Brother Blood - This is almost certainly an erroneous title. In nigh-on five years no VoE member has found any solid evidence of its existence. Belmont, 1970 Corruption - Wilfred McNeilly Sphere, 1968 Five Star, 1972  Peter Saxon - Corruption par severance_23, on ipernity The Curse of Rathlaw - Martin Thomas GuardiansLancer, 1968  Peter Saxon - The Curse of Rathlaw par severance_23, on ipernity Howard Baker (hb), 1969 Prestige/Magnum, 1970s? The Darkest Night - Wilfred McNeilly Mayflower-Dell, 1966 Paperback Library, 1967 Five Star, 1972 Dark Ways to Death - Wilfred McNeilly GuardiansBerkley Medallion, 1968 Howard Baker (hb), 1968 Mayflower, 1970  Peter Saxon - Dark Ways to Death par severance_23, on ipernity Five Star, 1972 Sphere, 1975 ( volume 32 in the Dennis Wheatley Library Of The Occult) The Disorientated Man - Stephen D. Frances Mayflower-Dell, September 1966  Howard Baker (hb), 1967 The Disorientated Man was reissued as Scream And Scream AgainThe Haunting of Alan Mais - Wilfred McNeilly GuardiansBerkley Medallion, 1969  Peter Saxon - The Haunting of Alan Mais par severance_23, on ipernity Mayflower, 1970 Five Star, 1972 The Killing Bone - W. Howard Baker GuardiansBerkley Medallion, 1969 Howard Baker (hb), 1970 Five Star, 1972  Peter Saxon - The Killing Bone par severance_23, on ipernity Satan's Child - Wilfred McNeilly Mayflower, 1967  Peter Saxon - Satan's Child (Mayflower edition) par severance_23, on ipernity Lancer, 1968  Peter Saxon - Satan's Child (Lancer edition) par severance_23, on ipernity Prestige, 1970s? Lodestone, 1970s? Five Star, 1972 Scream And Scream Again See The Disorientated ManPaperback Library 1967, 1970 Five Star, 1972? Through the Dark Curtain - Ross Richards GuardiansLancer, 1968  Peter Saxon - Through the Dark Curtain par severance_23, on ipernity Howard Baker (hb), 1969 Zenith (undated: 1970?) Five Star, 1972 The Torturer Wilfred McNeilly Mayflower-Dell, 1966 Paperback Library, 1967, 1970 Five Star, 1972  Peter Saxon - The Torturer par severance_23, on ipernity Vampires Moon - W. Howard Baker Belmont, 1970, Unibook, 1970? Five Star, 1972  Peter Saxon - Vampire's Moon par severance_23, on ipernity The Vampires Of Finistere Rex Dolphin GuardiansBerkley Medallion, 1970 Howard Baker (hb), 1970 Five Star, 1972 The W. Howard Baker entry in The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction states "It is impossible to distinguish much of what he wrote from what he commissioned and what he doctored, under his own name ond others" Therefore I haven't given Baker the co-authorship credit that some other sites give on various of the above books. As pulphack has previously mentioned, the six Guardians series were plotted out by Baker and George Mann, so he could've had his hands on all of them to greater or lesser degrees, and I'm not giving him co-authorship of everything!! Any corrections would be appreciated.    |
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Post by Steve on Apr 13, 2010 0:09:31 GMT
Very nice, Sev. I've got a 1972 Five Star Dark Ways To Death with (fairly) tasteful 'down the back of the Vault' style cover that you might want to add to the list. Also have the Magnum/Prestige Curse of Rathlaw and although it has a 1968 Press Ed. copyright, the book itself isn't dated (i.e. no indication of when that particular edition was printed). I suspect it's later than the Lancer, possibly mid-70s? Have you started The Haunting of Alan Mais yet? I'm currently skipping between (straddling?) Rathlaw and The Killing Bone and will try and formulate some thoughts on one or both by the weekend. Corruption - Wilfred McNeilly For some reason I had it in my head that Stephen Frances wrote that one? And Black Honey? |
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Post by dem bones on Apr 13, 2010 10:19:48 GMT
that's lovely sev, thanks for doing it. Brother Blood - This is almost certainly an erroneous title. In nigh-on five years no VoE member has found any solid evidence of its existence. Belmont, 1970 sorting through a stack of old papers this morning i found four stapled bundles of photocopied pages that turned out to be Jacques Finné's Bibliographie de Dracula (L'Age d'Homme, 1986)! Here's the relevant entry: 0813 Saxon: Peter Brother Blood
Ce roman, qu' apprécie Don Glut, n'existe qu'en traduction néerlandaise (Broeder Bloed, Bruxelles, Schorpioen, 1974) - en campe un vampire negre - deux ans avante Blaculawhich (very loosely!) translates as "This novel, written by Don Glut exists only in the Netherlands ( Broeder Bloed, ...) and portrays a Negro vampire - two years before Blacula" in other words, if Finné is correct, it is the Donald Glut 'Brother Blood' novel recently republished by Pulp 2.0 Press! i've just emailed Mr. Glut to see if he can shed any light on the matter. |
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Post by andydecker on Apr 13, 2010 11:26:47 GMT
Strange world, isn´t it.
Just discovered these days that there are two different german editions of Drums of the dark Gods, one under the Baker byline, one under Ballinger. I ordered it and can´t wait to compare the two books. Maybe it is the same translation, maybe not.
It is not unheard of that there are two or more editions of the same book, especially in SF. But on this level of neglectable editions it is normaly quite an oddity, except that Saxon was published in different formats at the time, both as paperback and as weekly pulps, by two different outfits.
If there is interest for the bibliography I will make a list.
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Post by severance on Apr 13, 2010 15:05:00 GMT
I've got a 1972 Five Star Dark Ways To Death with (fairly) tasteful 'down the back of the Vault' style cover that you might want to add to the list. Thanks, I'll edit the OP accordingly. Also have the Magnum/Prestige Curse of Rathlaw and although it has a 1968 Press Ed. copyright, the book itself isn't dated (i.e. no indication of when that particular edition was printed). I suspect it's later than the Lancer, possibly mid-70s? I think you're right in that the Magnum's and Prestige's, probably even the Lodestone, came after the Lancer's. I'll put them down as 70s for now. Have you started The Haunting of Alan Mais yet? Certainly have - just trying to think of a suitable thread title ala 'Glut of Glut' and 'Lorryload of Lory'  For some reason I had it in my head that Stephen Frances wrote that one (Corruption)? And Black Honey? That's how I had it at one point, you're right, it seems accreditations have mutated over the last couple of years due to new info. Frances definitely just did the one according to Steve Holland and I'm not going to disagree with him. in other words, if Finné is correct, it is the Donald Glut 'Brother Blood' novel recently republished by Pulp 2.0 Press! i've just emailed Mr. Glut to see if he can shed any light on the matter. Great investigative work, Dem - look forward to seeing any reply you get from Mr. Glut. If there is interest for the bibliography I will make a list. Go right ahead Andy, I'd love to see a German bibliography. Gives me a chance to resurrect these two lovely covers   |
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Post by killercrab on Apr 13, 2010 15:25:13 GMT
Much appreciated Sev!
I'm over halfway into THROUGH THE DARK CURTAIN - so plan to add some comment to all things Saxon soon!
KC
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Post by killercrab on Apr 13, 2010 18:18:16 GMT
Also have the Magnum/Prestige Curse of Rathlaw and although it has a 1968 Press Ed. copyright, the book itself isn't dated (i.e. no indication of when that particular edition was printed). I suspect it's later than the Lancer, possibly mid-70s? >>
I have the 1968 Lancer THE CURSE OF RATHLOW which has a brilliant Jeff Jones cover! Most probably read either this or THE VAMPIRES OF FINISTERE ( that Dem gave me 50 years ago).
KC
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Post by dem bones on Apr 14, 2010 8:58:02 GMT
i'll nab The Torturer and Vampire's Moon then, while they're still going.
Mr. Glut kindly answered. The gist of it is, "Actually, no, this is the first time I've ever heard of any other "Brother Blood" than mine." He's referred me to someone who, on the face of it, is in a very good position to finally clear this matter up, but we've had so many false dawns ....
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Post by Steve on Apr 14, 2010 18:23:54 GMT
just trying to think of a suitable thread title ala 'Glut of Glut' and 'Lorryload of Lory' A Shitload of Saxon? Me neither, especially not about Stephen Frances. Glad I didn't imagine it completely though! I have the 1968 Lancer THE CURSE OF RATHLOW which has a brilliant Jeff Jones cover! KC Did Jones do the covers for all the Lancers? I believe Curt has scans of all of them at Groovy Age. They're more what I'd describe as fantasy-style covers than horror as such but they are gorgeous either way. The Curse cover is certainly suitably occult-looking. As I recall the cover for the Howard Baker edition has the same figures - horny bloke and woman with discretely covered nipples - but drawn by a different artist. The Magnum edition has the same cover as the Lancer if I remember - assuming it's a straight reprint, I'm wondering how legit these Magnum books were (do I remember Justin mentioning that they were a similar outfit to Manor or am I unfairly maligning a perfectly respectable publishing house?). I see Magnum also reprinted a lot of Lancer's Gothic titles. i'll nab The Torturer and Vampire's Moon then, while they're still going. Think I'll swap The Killing Bone for Dark Ways To Death only because, just looking at the Peter Saxon thread here, Bone seems to have been pretty well covered already while Dark Ways hasn't had a look-in yet. It's probably too late to ask now but I'm wondering if Mr Glut knows whether the previous Dutch (or German, going from the Pulp 2.0 blog) edition of his Brother Blood was published under his own name or a pseudonym? Which, along with those lovely German cover scans posted above by Sev, brings me to the last thing I'm wondering about, i.e. other titles which might have been published under the 'Peter Saxon' name elsewhere but never appeared as Saxons in the UK. Hopefully Andy's list may shed some light on this. |
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Post by killercrab on Apr 15, 2010 0:12:54 GMT
Did Jones do the covers for all the Lancers? >>
I'd be interested to know too. My Five Star Paperback copy of THE VAMPIRES OF FINISTERE does have a Jones cover , but looking at his signiture it's printed backwards. Obviously the art has been flipped. Maybe it summons the vampires of finistere if read backwards. Now I'm being silly ... ;D
KC
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Post by andydecker on Apr 15, 2010 9:56:50 GMT
Did Jones do the covers for all the Lancers? >>I'd be interested to know too. My Five Star Paperback copy of THE VAMPIRES OF FINISTERE does have a Jones cover , but looking at his signiture it's printed backwards. Obviously the art has been flipped. I have the Berkley editions who also has the Jones covers. Here it seems to be produced as it should. Ah, she is swiming in circles, so ...  It is a great cover. And a good novel, which would have made a nice movie. Or a great tv-series. I watch a lot of british tv, love stuff like Poirot or Foyle´s War. A Guardian series would have potential.  The Jones stuff is very fantasy for its time, isn´t it? According to all the infos I guess you can say a lot about Baker´s ethics, but he must have been a hell of of a businessman. When you see how often he sold those books to different outfits, this can´t have been easy. |
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Post by killercrab on Apr 15, 2010 15:31:08 GMT
The Jones stuff is very fantasy for its time, isn´t it? >>
Oh yeah his stuff has an application to many types of story.I'm a massive fan and collect books just for his cover work which got more sophisticated as time went on. He's now living in a home under the name Catherine Jeffrey Jones.
KC
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Post by severance on Apr 15, 2010 19:19:00 GMT
Was hoping for something a bit more punnish, but I'll go with it if there's no inspiration between now and tomorrow. The Magnum edition has the same cover as the Lancer if I remember - assuming it's a straight reprint, I'm wondering how legit these Magnum books were (do I remember Justin mentioning that they were a similar outfit to Manor or am I unfairly maligning a perfectly respectable publishing house?). I see Magnum also reprinted a lot of Lancer's Gothic titles. You are maligning them somewhat - just pulled this info about Lancer from bookscans.com - " After some legal trouble in the early 70's, the company went out of business, but struggled back into existence for a short time as Magnum Books, reprinting many of their original titles." So that's why they not only have the same art work but, in some cases, the same catalogue numbers as well - makes it hard for a bibliographer!! Just received a lot of information about German editions from Andy - will see if I can dig up any more info before putting something up here... |
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Post by Steve on Apr 16, 2010 7:52:07 GMT
Was hoping for something a bit more punnish, but I'll go with it if there's no inspiration between now and tomorrow. Er... 'The Joy of Saxon'? 'Everything you ever wanted to know about Saxon...'? 'P.S. I Love You'? OK, I've got nothing. Thanks for the info, Sev, and apologies to everyone connected with Magnum/Prestige. That tallies with the Magnum Rathlaw being a 70s reprint though - it's always nice to know I'm not talking complete shite! |
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Post by Dr Strange on Apr 16, 2010 11:13:13 GMT
Was hoping for something a bit more punnish, but I'll go with it if there's no inspiration between now and tomorrow. Saxon hoard? |
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It is a great cover. And a good novel, which would have made a nice movie. Or a great tv-series. I watch a lot of british tv, love stuff like Poirot or Foyle´s War. A Guardian series would have potential.