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Post by killercrab on Nov 14, 2008 13:41:58 GMT
i think the problem is that the more knowledgable memebers simply don't post that much but are talkign a good game in terms of complaints. >>
But there is no core or clique here. Just because for sake of argument a bunch of members like a particular thing and say so doesn't indicate clique - that's you interpretation for argument. What it means is that any folks that align themselves with *old is good* automatically fall into this clique surely? There is no secret brotherhood here excepting that some members have known each other longer ! I don't know Pulphack hardly at all - never met him and he's a mid term joiner anyway - not an early founder! In fact at one time there was only Dem , FM , me , Ripper , Funkydooby and Steve doing ALL the talking! LOL That's not a clique - just 5 guys having a blast talking old crappy books.
seriously fuck this ..
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Post by benedictjjones on Nov 14, 2008 13:46:21 GMT
^sorry crab i didn't mean it to come across like that. nut it seems there are a few people who are taking an extreme view on this with everyone else falling into some kind of middle ground. there has been no opposition saying 'we should be allowed to post spam and talk about ourselves' so this is somewhat one sided. even the people who i'd agree are on here mainly to self promote have been involved in the very threads (about old pre '79 stuff) that people want to see more of.
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Post by weirdmonger on Nov 14, 2008 14:16:41 GMT
just 5 guys having a blast talking old crappy books. seriously fuck this .. What is this argument about? Five people could do that on a Private Yahoogroups quite easily. It sounds great. I might even join that, if invited. But I don't think it's relevant to the carefully argued points in the last two days about the Vault as it is today. des
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Post by killercrab on Nov 14, 2008 15:33:16 GMT
It's relevant in the fact that I was trying to explain how this group came into being historically and why there is no clique except in the minds of those who feel aggrieved. The core group intent of those first members no longer exists through evolution but that doesn't mean the core essence was wrong. What we have now is a vastly bloated forum that covers nearly everything horror wise. I don't believe that was the original intent. It was about talking about a certain nostalgia of books. Nothing more nothing less. Nothing about the members own works - just vintage pulp. Somewhere along the way it got lax - so my comment is valid I feel .
ade
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Post by weirdmonger on Nov 14, 2008 15:39:22 GMT
Fair enough, Ade. Do you think the position is rectifiable from your point of view or is the process irreversible? I imagine this argument will make the situation better, from your point at view, at the very least.
But, whatever the case, I agree with David Riley's post on this or a similar thread today about the way this argument has sometimes been couched...and the misgivings I earlier gave.
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Post by killercrab on Nov 14, 2008 15:41:13 GMT
^sorry crab i didn't mean it to come across like that. nut it seems there are a few people who are taking an extreme view on this with everyone else falling into some kind of middle ground. >.
No worries - but I've got embroiled in online squabbling before and swore never again. I'm not surprised this has occured because you'll always get polarising views on forums - it's just this one has been surprisingly sensible for awhile. The more successful a forum the sooner the mission statement gets lost. Many forums encourage diverse talk but that's because they want bums on seats. 200 or 10 members I could care less - staying on topic is all I hope for and the topic to me is vintage pulp.
ade
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Post by benedictjjones on Nov 14, 2008 15:57:00 GMT
-could there not be another solution whereby perhaps the pan and pre 79 stuff is grouped in a asection of sections with its own 'last 30 posts' and then another seperate section of sections encompassing the other sections that are left (such as the 90's and the 00's)?? that way everyone stays happy and also some of the sections that have become overused for self promo could be removed??
edit:meant to add not only could this keep people happy but those who do like the site as a whole old stuff - modern can flit between the two.
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Post by killercrab on Nov 14, 2008 16:26:25 GMT
Do you think the position is rectifiable from your point of view or is the process irreversible? >>
There's always the opportunity to go back to basics but in a more knowledgable way. I think the actual group platform doesn't help and I'm not sure segregation of topic is good for comaraderie either ( if there's any left?).
I think a verbal redefining of the group is the only answer and those who wish to stay will and those who don't won't.
ade
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Post by carolinec on Nov 14, 2008 17:33:48 GMT
I think a verbal redefining of the group is the only answer and those who wish to stay will and those who don't won't. Precisely. We all need to know exactly what the Vault is/isn't about.
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Post by lobolover on Nov 15, 2008 1:04:27 GMT
well,I try to post with stuffs-pitty no one replies to it.
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