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Post by doomovertheworld on Oct 17, 2012 5:39:37 GMT
Do not, under any circumstances, watch The Wicker Tree. It is Poop, with a capital P. In my opinion of course. The re-make with Nic Cage is a classic though.  "Step away from the bike!"  |
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Post by Knygathin on Oct 17, 2012 6:56:18 GMT
Why must Hollywood make this endless line of remakes from old films? I find it extremely upsetting. And I despise it! Is there really such a drought of inspiration among all those successful artists and movie-creators? There are hundreds, thousands of ideas, that could be used, instead of this deplorable waste of time and energy. If only they would be willing to open the pages of a book. Los Angeles is certainly not a place I would want to live in. It reminds me of Fahrenheit 451.
By the way, soon they will make a remake of Truffaut's Fahrenheit 451. And still not come to terms with their intrinsic problems. I am willing to bet.
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Post by andydecker on Oct 17, 2012 9:47:43 GMT
Oh.My.God. Wasn´t Chuck Norris avaiable for the movie? I read that this was bad, but words fail me. Except bees don´t work this way. The last Cage movie I kind of enjoyed was Drive Angry, this supernatural mash-up which becames increasingly popular also in novels - see Richard Kadrey -, but even in that he was more restrained then here. What a waste of money. And I second your opinion about remakes. I read a remake of Robocop is on the way. I truly hope it crashes and burns horribly at the box office. |
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Post by ramseycampbell on Oct 17, 2012 10:12:40 GMT
Why must Hollywood make this endless line of remakes from old films? Well, there have been fine ones, you know. Huston's Maltese Falcon is a remake. Hitchcock remade The Man Who Knew Too Much to its benefit. McCarey remade his own Love Affair as An Affair to Remember. Losey remade M. Lang remade La Bête humaine. There are more. For that matter, "The Call of Cthulhu" is a kind of expanded remake by HPL of "Dagon", and Beethoven's 9th bears rather the same relation to his own Choral Fantasia. |
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Post by Thana Niveau on Oct 17, 2012 10:19:01 GMT
Carpenter's The Thing, Cronenberg's The Fly...
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Post by Knygathin on Oct 17, 2012 14:43:57 GMT
Some may be motivated as creatively new interpretations, or developments. But others just give me a bad vibe, like they are only trying to churn out a quick buck. I know a false priest when I see one.
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Post by Knygathin on Oct 17, 2012 17:20:28 GMT
I have seen King Kong, King Kong, and I have seen King Kong.
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Post by Knygathin on Oct 17, 2012 18:03:03 GMT
I wish someone would take the step and produce short films of perhaps 20 to 30 minutes, or even shorter, with the same level of technical ambitions as for 90 min films. The time format is too locked today. With shorter films a different kind of story-telling would be possible. More pithy in form. It would open up for a whole world of great short stories in literature to be visually interpreted.
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Post by Thana Niveau on Oct 17, 2012 18:44:26 GMT
I wish someone would take the step and produce short films of perhaps 20 to 30 minutes, or even shorter, with the same level of technical ambitions as for 90 min films. The time format is too locked today. With shorter films a different kind of story-telling would be possible. More pithy in form. It would open up for a whole world of great short stories in literature to be visually interpreted. Totally agree. And there should be more anthology films too. |
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Post by Craig Herbertson on Oct 17, 2012 21:13:20 GMT
I wish someone would take the step and produce short films of perhaps 20 to 30 minutes, or even shorter, with the same level of technical ambitions as for 90 min films. The time format is too locked today. With shorter films a different kind of story-telling would be possible. More pithy in form. It would open up for a whole world of great short stories in literature to be visually interpreted. Totally agree. And there should be more anthology films too. oh fopr the hammer House of Horror's - how wonderful they were. Entirely destroyed my childhood sleep. |
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Post by Knygathin on Oct 18, 2012 8:17:42 GMT
For that matter, "The Call of Cthulhu" is a kind of expanded remake by HPL of "Dagon",. By the way, speaking of true ecstasy seen so rarily in film, I can recommend Richard Corben's interpretation of "Dagon", a 4 minute homemade film with CGI animation and live action. It's an ecstatic celebration. |
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Post by Dr Strange on Oct 18, 2012 10:46:26 GMT
It does seem a bit pointless and lazy to remake a film that is generally held in high regard - why don't they remake (and improve) films that should have been good, but were screwed up in production? So there's a question for you - what films would you like to see remade (and who would you have direct, star, etc)?
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Post by Craig Herbertson on Oct 18, 2012 11:29:51 GMT
It does seem a bit pointless and lazy to remake a film that is generally held in high regard - why don't they remake (and improve) films that should have been good, but were screwed up in production? So there's a question for you - what films would you like to see remade (and who would you have direct, star, etc)? (ridiculously soon I know, but it needs to be done properly and should be immediately entitled 'A Princess of Mars'.)and Something Wicked This Way Comes 1983 Directed by Jack Clayton. Not sure about actors. |
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Post by pulphack on Oct 19, 2012 6:49:14 GMT
Why does the movie industry reimagine (you could have a field day with that term) and remake old material?
A. with books if they go out of copyright or the contracted rights elapse, you can republish and make money. Unless you buy a film company outright, the only way to make oney on an established property is to remake from scratch.
B. Producers are (mostly) in the business of making money. Why take a chance on an untried property when you can buy up a successful book or a successful movie or both? It increases the odds of making cash, on paper, because it already has a provenance.
C. Some remakes do come from love - Tim Burton's reworking of Dark Shadows being the most recent I can think of. But they tend to be in the minority.
D. When it comes to the actual film you get the dichotomy of wanting to do something different (the director, writer, etc) with the impulse of the producer to keep it close enough to attract punters but different enough to make it appealing to fans of the original. This is usually where the trouble begins...
Look, publishing and filmaking are mostly about generating cash for those that are in business. That's why you get remakes. Some people who think otherwise need to acknowledge that that's why small press is so important, as is indie cinema, but by its nature it can never compete cash-wise on a general basis. It's about the bottom line and dollars and cents. Always has been, always will be... instead of wishing they didn't do this, just ignore the crap. It's always been there, and always will be.
That lament about drought of inspiration kills me... there's plenty of inspiration, but how many writers and directors take the remake because they can then get a package via their agent that enables them to actually get a new piece of work through development? Ah, now there's a question...
Speaking of which, the remake of Wicker Man is priceless, but for all the wrong reasons. Did he really just punch that kid???
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Post by Knygathin on Oct 19, 2012 6:51:21 GMT
And there should be more anthology films too. Yes and released as collections on single DVDs. Or shown in movie theaters; a new form of evenings entertainment, with either more single shows, or perhaps suitably, for shorter films, several films to the same audience, with short breaks in-between in which the audience mingles in the hall for a quick snack and chats about the previous film, observing the excitement or disappointment in others's eyes. I think the current obsolescent standard of 90 minutes, was much steered by commercial interests, the most efficient solution of herding the audience in and out to maximize the night's profit. |
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