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Post by bulletrider on Aug 26, 2009 9:26:47 GMT
While looking through all the great threads (oh boy - I started making a list of what I have to buy/red and it's getting veeeeery long, I fear...) I thought, that one of you can possibly help me with my search for books about this special theme...
I'm looking for books (or even short stories) dealing with a pulp and entertaining form of so called NS Esoterics with a setting likely as to be found in the Hellboy movie (comics), the Indy movies or the Thannhäuser board game - evil army guys using occult forces, artifacts etc. to crush/rule the world... I know this is quite vaguely... Best if it's playing during WW1 or WW2 but the main aspect should "only" be that it has some militaristic and occult/horror flair. Lots of blood, demons, zombies, werewolves, zeppelins (I love airship/zeppelin stuff) tanks, action, half dreesed girls etc. are highly welcome ;D
Here's a wikipedia quote of what Thannhäuser is about and it sums up quite good what I'm looking for:
One of my fave books, Kim Newman's "The Bloody Red Baron", also comes quite close to this...
as does the old pulp stories of "G8 and His Flying Aces" to some point...
I guess and hope that there are plenty of books I just don't know till now...
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Post by dem bones on Aug 26, 2009 10:38:51 GMT
Hi David Thanks for joining, and i hope you enjoy your time with us. i'm not sure if these are exactly what you're looking for, but you might like to check: Jasper Smith - The SpecialistJohn Ruddy - The BargainSome more: Dennis Wheatley's They Use Dark Forces and Strange Conflict are both WW2 Black Magic novels, though SC is set in Haiti. John Urling Clark & Robin Beresford Evans The Experiment follows the adventures of a Nazi Dr. Death long after the war has ended. Can't think of any occult content, but it's a great man-made monster on the rampage horror story. Uh, James Herbert's The Spear ...
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Post by vaughan on Aug 26, 2009 10:55:38 GMT
My title doesn't exactly fit..... Night Boat, but Robert McCammon www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/m/robert-r-mccammon/night-boat.htm"A horror novel with an old German U-Boat crew, long since dead, waiting at the bottom of a harbor, for the living up above." I am half way through it right now, and it's a terrific read, imo. Remind me of the movie, Shockwaves with Peter Cushing. Excellent book so far, and recommended.
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Post by bulletrider on Aug 26, 2009 10:59:04 GMT
Hey, thanks for the recommendations. I just take a short look at the first two links (will do more closely when back at home). Sounds like sth which could fit my search though it's maybe not as epic and worldsmashing (regarding that there's "only vampires" and not some "super demonic otherwordly powers" *lol*...). Thanks you!
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Post by Craig Herbertson on Aug 26, 2009 11:06:01 GMT
God there's a really obvious book with frozen SS troopers waiting to be resurrected from a secret cave...utterly forget the name though
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Post by bulletrider on Aug 26, 2009 11:10:50 GMT
As I wrote before I have not enough time to have a closer look at the links right now but will do so later. So for now a BIG THANK YOU! @craig Herbertson: That sounds really interesting. Maybe the name will pop up in your mind again...
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Post by Dr Strange on Aug 26, 2009 12:29:37 GMT
Bulletrider - Have you read "The Keep" by F. Paul Wilson? Craig - not sure of the book, but that sounds like the plot to the British horror film "Outpost". Trailer here: www.moviestrailer.org/outpost-movie-trailer.htmlI've seen it, and it's OK - if you like nazi zombies. And if you DO like nazi zombies, this is coming soon - www.deadsnow.com/
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Post by vaughan on Aug 26, 2009 12:44:44 GMT
Actually, it sounds like the recent film "Dead Snow".
A most excellent film that everyone into Nazi's, zombies, and gore should watch.
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Post by Dr Strange on Aug 26, 2009 13:10:47 GMT
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Post by Dr Strange on Aug 26, 2009 13:22:03 GMT
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Post by fullbreakfast on Aug 26, 2009 13:31:36 GMT
I read it years ago and didn't think much of it; then again I'm not much of a Masterton fan. The main beef I can remember having with it (apart from the pedestrian writing, which rendered it basically non-scary) is that the hero eventually beats the demon threat because the French farming family he's staying with just happen to have in their possession several fragments of the True Cross. Convenient, that!
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Post by bulletrider on Aug 26, 2009 13:52:29 GMT
Hmm, this Dday book actually sounds quite interesting. "Dead Snow" could also be mine but it's not quite what I'm looking for with this thread. Maybe the following text is a bit more concrete in what I'm basically looking for: - take a lot out of this Hellboy (movie) description: "In 1944, the Nazis work with the undead Russian mystic Grigori Rasputin on an isolated island off the coast of Scotland to build a dimensional portal. They intend to use it, with Rasputin's help, to awaken the Ogdru Jahad, monstrous entities that have been imprisoned and asleep since an undisclosed time, to destroy their enemies. But Rasputin secretly intends to use the entities to bring about the destruction of the entire Earth. He is aided by his servant, Ilsa von Haupstein, to whom he has granted eternal life, and Nazi Lieutenant Colonel Karl Ruprecht Kroenen, Hitler's top assassin and head of the Thule Occult Society." - add some Indiana Jones atmosphere (a classic hero, adventurous, humorous) and some sparely dressed women and I'll be fine ;-) Thanks a lot to your multiple and fast replies! Great Job! Oh, and finally here's a pic of the Tannhäuser Game Boxart - showing the searched atmosphere quite good...:
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Post by fullbreakfast on Aug 26, 2009 15:35:53 GMT
bulletrider, James Herbert's novel The Spear deals with Nazi occultism and is a storming good pulp read. It's really about the present day legacy of sinister deeds in WW2 (well OK the early eighties legacy...) though, it's not set in WW2. As always with James Herbert, expect some fairly nasty violence and explicit sex scenes.
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Post by Steve on Aug 26, 2009 17:03:01 GMT
Couple more suggestions for WWI/II-set horror, not books but I'm sure you're probably interested in films and comics too?
Deathwatch was a British horror film from about 5 years or so back, about some British soldiers who get lost and discover something unpleasant in the German trenches.
Probably not as 'pulpy' as you'd like - and not much in the way of "sparely dressed women" as I remember - but worth a watch if you're after a bit of trench-based nastiness.
I'd second Dr Strange's suggestion of The Keep as well, both book and film (if you can find it), I think you'd enjoy that.
And I reckon you'd love Fiends of the Eastern Front, which appeared in 2000 AD comic some years ago and has since, I'm fairly sure, been collected into book form. In fact, I seem to remember something about a series of spin off books but can't check that just now. Anybody?
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Post by vaughan on Aug 26, 2009 17:13:20 GMT
Devils of D-Day.....
I read that one recently. On the one hand it's a good fit for what's being asked.
On the other.....
The problem is the scale of the thing. It's a pulp novel, and as such the cast of characters is rather small. There is no "Indiana Jones" character here. I don't recall any sex at all.
One issue might well be that the precise thing asked for is a rather modern take on things, springing largely from Aliens (the Alien sequel) influences. Big, bombastic battlefests with over-the-top characters. Perfect for... well comic books, and films based on comic books. ;D
Pulp... well, a lot of the plots are rather fantastical, and authors generally (and if I'm wrong here there are plenty of experts here that will correct me) use the main characters as something the reader can identify with. That being a basic down to earth guy or gal whom is thrown into an incredible situation.
There might be some fantasy literature that better fits the bill (rather than out and out horror) but sadly that's not a genre I know much (anything?) about.
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