glampunk
Crab On The Rampage
gloompunk; glitter goth: disciple of Rikki Nadir: demonik in disguise, etc.
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Post by glampunk on Sept 13, 2008 10:46:29 GMT
*Yep, yet another moldy oldie exhumed from the obscurity of the old place. Whoever said this board goes to shit over the weekend obviously hasn't read it from Monday to Friday.* Roger Ellis - The Occult And Young People (Kingsway, 1989) "Unfortunately, we tend to think that what we like is more spiritual or Biblical than the things we dislike".Roger is addressing the tricky problem of what rock and pop noise - if any - we can afford to listen to without fear of jeopardizing our immortal souls. A self-confessed metal freak (though you'd never know it), he is scathing of fellow believers who tar the entire tuneless bump 'n grind racket with the same brush, arguing that these very same clods' preferred classical music - "by people like Wagner who, from what I can gather, was totally off his rocker, steeped in the occult and had Hitler among his admirers!" - and opera - basically, a bunch of fat people singing demonically: "Sounds painful!" - are hardly free of Satanic influence. Despite this "enlightened" view, shortly after becoming a Christian, Roger took a long, hard look at his record collection, eventually purging it of some thirty discs unlikely to cut any ice with the Almighty. As the author warms to his theme, you can't help but wonder how any vinyl escaped a Fahrenheit 451-style torching. Curious, his pro-metal stance because, beyond repeatedly telling us how great bloody Stryper are, the author doesn't seem to have found any other hairies to pass his equivalent of the Persil Challenge. True, he scoffs at the histrionics over backward masking and pooh-poohs suggestions that AC/DC stands for 'Anti-Christ Devil Child' - "It seems more likely to stand for electrical voltage" (well, there is a third possibility, but I don't think he'd appreciate me dragging that into it) - but that doesn't mean they'll be forgiven Highway To Hell. Similarly, despite Ozzy's famous remark that the only black magic he and his fellow Sabs were ever into was a box of chocolates, Roger isn't buying it: I was totally flabbergasted when, on our second date, Maggie arrived wearing a Black Sabbath tee-shirt she'd been given. Now, I was into heavy metal but this was ridiculous! When I asked her how she balanced up worshipping Jesus while wearing a Black Sabbath tee-shirt she was surprised having never looked at it that way. After a little discussion she made a good decision, condemning the tee-shirt to an eternal fate as a duster!"Of the few other albums cited, there were only a handful your common or garden headbanger would be much interested in. Pink Floyd's The Wall is lambasted on the grounds of its "cynicism, hopelessness and negativeness." We obviously ain't gonna get any joy from the denim and leather brigade and, judging from the handy fashion tips on p. 126, the androgynous, Jewelry-by-Alchemy, fishnet fetishising Goths are as totally doomed as their depressed vampire chic would have us believe. Punk, needless to say, never happened. At least, there can't be too much to complain about in eighties pop ... The Communards are a no-no from the off; they promote sodomy, the sin for which God has cursed nations, and you mustn't be influenced by their pleas for tolerance as it's homosexual propaganda and they're not normal. Ditto Frankie Goes To Hollywood's Relax - "I certainly wouldn't give that space in my record collection, particularly in view of its cover which was banned from display in many record shops due to its obscenity. Satan uses such music to lure people toward ruining their life sexually". Even such twee, irritating as fuck fodder as My Sweet Lord, Karma Chameleon and some Todd Rungren monstrosity are panned on the grounds of their "New Age" influence and anyway, vegetarians shouldn't think they are nicer or more moral than meat-eaters because they're only pandering to "Pagan attitudes to eating and lifestyle which are rife in society". Handy for Ellis, that, what with him being a keen fisherman 'an all. Praise the Lord then for Lionel Ritchie's super-saccharine Hello and Foreigners AOR standard, I've Been Waiting For A Girl Like You, proper songs which have the added bonus of reminding Roger of when he was courting Maggie of the doomed Sabbaf t-shirt and arse that looks blinding in jeans. Incredibly, Madonna gets a pat on the head, albeit for the breezy cheery pop of True Blue, though I guess Roger maybe came to regret championing Ms. Ciccone shortly afterward when she got her conical bra in a right old twist, what with the black Jesus stuff, Erotica, Justify ..., Hanky Panky, the Sex book & co. Enough. I've gone off Roger a bit. Mr. Ellis loves his R&R, but only once it's been sanitized, stripped of all the rebellion, outrage, hostility and dumbness that makes it R&R in the first place. Paradise is celestial beings strumming Mistletoe And Wine on the harpsichord 24/7, 'cepting for happy hour when everybody let's their hair down to a bit of Stryper. "If this is heaven I'm bailing out" as St. Nick might say ...
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glampunk
Crab On The Rampage
gloompunk; glitter goth: disciple of Rikki Nadir: demonik in disguise, etc.
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Post by glampunk on Apr 16, 2011 7:07:52 GMT
Krystyna Fitzgerald-Morris, Peter Fitzgerald-Morris, David Cross (eds.) - Homeground: The International Kate Bush FanzineNow here's something you don't find in the charity shop every day! Four issues of the long-running Kate Bush fanzine, Homeground, at 25p each, and very lovely they are, too. As you'd expect, several of the articles are of an often very touching 'how Kate's music changed my life' nature, and there are plenty discussions on the meaning of this or that song lyric. Also, Kate-inspired poetry, Kate-inspired artwork, Kate-inspired - in short, lots and lots about Kate! My favourite item appears in issue #39 (Summer 1990). Sinful Music is a letter received from the dreaded PMRC ("Support the majority for musical morality") and printed without comment, which begins: We of the Parents Music Resource Centre have recently had the 'music' of one 'Kate Bush' brought to our attention. Previously we have looked at the 'music' of such groups as 'Ratt', 'Twisted Sister' and 'Mr. Frank Zappa'. This latest menace to the youth of America from a foreign land is more pernicious than all the rest. The following is a list of Miss Bush's song lyrics which we believe need warning labels and exactly why.
'All We Ever Look For': explicit references to breasts, wombs, tombs, and drugs. 'All The Love': death 'Army Dreamers': death, incitement to dissatisfaction amongst loyal troops .... and so it goes on ... 'Breathing': anti-nuclear propaganda, comfort and support to subversive organisations. 'The Dreaming': alcoholism, an attack on a friendly government, attack on free enterprise (i.e., mining) 'Experiment IV': "a sound that can kill" is the avowed ambition of all 'Heavy Metal' bands. This is also an attack on defence research.
and on .... 'Feel It': a dirty, dirty song (can we have it removed from sale?) 'Ne t'en fui pas': we haven't had a translation yet, but this sounds dirtyand on .... 'Hammer Horror': occultism 'Rocket Tail': lyrical content unclear, but some of the musicians came from a communist country. 'Running Up The Hill': otherwise known as 'A Deal With God'. Plain and simple sacrilege. 'Sat In Your Lap': "some say that heaven is hell'. Deliberate satanically inspired confusion.and ... you get the picture!
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Post by andydecker on Apr 16, 2011 10:44:31 GMT
'All We Ever Look For': explicit references to breasts, wombs, tombs, and drugs. 'Feel It': a dirty, dirty song (can we have it removed from sale?) 'Ne t'en fui pas': we haven't had a translation yet, but this sounds dirty If this is authentic - I mean the original letter - it is really pathetic. Not even funny, just sad.
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Post by Dr Strange on Apr 16, 2011 11:03:17 GMT
I strongly suspect that this is a joke (for a start, it wouldn't take much effort to get that translated - especially if you were hoping to add it to your list of "offences").
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Post by dem bones on Apr 29, 2011 8:03:33 GMT
Shame I didn't snag issue 40 as am sure the letters page would have shed some light, but I suspect it's genuine. It seems that, following a news item in issue # 38 (Spring 1990), No More Songs About Sex And Death (below), two mischievous Homeground regulars contacted the PMRC in the guise of "concerned" parents and alerted them to the menace that is Kate's music. You'll perhaps remember that, under Tipper Gore's lead, the PMRC had already decided Sheenah Easton was the Whore Of Babylon on the strength of her collaboration with Prince (Sugar Walls) so they were never likely to take a sympathetic view of Miss Bush's more challenging lyrics. For an entirely unelected body (the PMRC mostly comprised a scary bunch of governors' wives) they held considerable clout and their war on rock & pop filth clearly influenced the thinking of Roger Ellis and other Evangelical Alliance hot-shots.
NO MORE SONGS ABOUT SEX AND DEATH? If legislation before at least seven US states is passed it may be possible in the near future for a record retailer to be sent to prison for the crime of selling a Kate Bush album to a minor. Far-fetched you might say. Unconstitutional you might also say (and let us hope for liberty's sake it is!) The fact is that the state legislatures will soon be considering bills which make it a criminal offence to, sell records whose lyrics advocate or encourage - and it at least five states simply describe the following activities: (1) adultery, (2) bestiality, (3) ethnic intimidation, (4) incest, (5) morbid violence, (6) murder, (7) nudity, (8) rape, (9) sadomasochism, (10) satanism, (11) sexual conduct in a violent context, (12) buggery, (13) suicide, (14) use of alcohol, (15) use of illegal drugs ... without that record bearing a prominent sticker warning any potential purchaser that the lyrics contain references to any or all of the above subjects. Three states go further and propose to ban under-eighteens from any live gig in which any such material is performed. Four states propose to give the right to sue if they think they have been injured by any person 'acting under the influence' of any such material. Yes. you guessed it, the loony Moral Majority strikes again, this time in the guise of the Parents Music Resource Centre.
Kate's albums will of course be intimately concerned. Her songs may be open to many interpretations but it is quite clear that many of her albums will qualify. Consider The Kick Inside; the title track transgresses items (4) and (13), and James and the Cold Gun is in trouble under (5) and (14). On Lionheart, Wow is in trouble under (12), and Coffee Homeground under (6). Heaven knows what they'll make of Never For Ever with Wedding List hitting (1), (5), (6) and (13). As for The Dreaming, the title track falls foul of (3) if not (14), and on Hounds of Love, Waking The Witch might excite interest under (10). There is some relief however, because it seems with the best will in the world there is nothing on The Sensual World that will cause any problems. Just as well we aren't talking singles or B-sides, because no doubt they'll create (16) - transvestism - especially for The Handsome Cabin Boy. Seriously, can we invite all our US readers to do all they can to oppose this oppressive measure. You think it doesn't matter? Well, we can tell you that at least one record distributor has stated that they will not carry ANY stickered product, just in case! Other chains are instigating '18 to buy' rules for all stickered product. I does matter and you can't rely on the politicos.
Needless to say perhaps, that "with the best will in the world there is nothing on The Sensual World that will cause any problems" erred toward the absurdly optimistic.
More Kate, this time an 'alas, what might have been' moment from something called Pop Star magazine, May 26, 1979
"I'm interested in theatre," asserts Kate. "Films ... I really don't know about. I don't consider myself an actress. Unless something came up that I felt I could do, then I wouldn't do it. I have had film offers - like, there's been a couple of vampire films, and a rock musical. That's an obvious one because I'm a singer. But I wouldn't have thought I was a vampire!" No. But there have been some good-looking vampires. And sometimes her mystique on stage does lend itself to that sort of feeling - taunting but unattainable." ("Fangs A Lot Kate!").
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Post by Dr Strange on Apr 29, 2011 8:41:31 GMT
I'm still not convinced that any organization that took itself seriously would imagine that these examples would impress anyone - 'Rocket Tail': lyrical content unclear, but some of the musicians came from a communist country.
'Sat In Your Lap': "some say that heaven is hell'. Deliberate satanically inspired confusion. These strike me as very obviously "studenty" humour. And why would they contact the artist's fanzine to try to get support for having her work censored and/or banned? Any other examples of them doing this?
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Post by dem bones on Apr 29, 2011 8:54:38 GMT
dr. strange, when I've caught up some, will ask if anyone has any info 'bout this on the Kate Bush forum (been a member for years ), as have a feeling the admins are (or were) the Homeground editors.
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Post by andydecker on Apr 29, 2011 9:03:42 GMT
Sheenah Easton was the Whore Of Babylon on the strength of her collaboration with Prince ( Sugar Walls) so they were never likely to take a sympathetic view of Miss Bush's more challenging lyrics. This is priceless. Sheenah Easton? Basically I only know her from her role in Miami Vice where she played Crocketts whiny singer wife. What were they thinking? I recently watched a docu about this where they included archivfootage about one of the court-cases, something about a teen suicide where a band was put on trail because of their lyrics. Or a hearing where they tried to convince the judge that there are satanic messages played backwards on albums. I can´t remember which. But one of the musicans really got under the skin of Mrs Gore with some choice questions. It was a riot. Compared to modern Gangsta Rap Kate Bush doesn´t even qualify as kindergarden For an entirely unelected body (the PMRC mostly comprised a scary bunch of governors' wives) they held considerable clout. Nowadays we also have theit ilk. Currently the wife of our just gone minister of defense, who was a darling of the more right wing media and on the way to our next head of state - untill somebody discovered that his dissertation was in some parts a work of cut&paste which he "forget" to tag. (The poor assistant who made this error when writing the thing for his boss.) Now he is gone, but he will be back, like the terminator. His trophy wife is one those "the internet is evil" types and did a slimy realitiy tv show where they tried to trap paedophiles on camera. It made quite a few headline because of mrs. governor. It seems we on the continent adopt every american nonsense - now we have politicans and their entourage as pop stars. (Me hanging head in shame)
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Post by Dr Strange on Apr 29, 2011 9:41:46 GMT
dr. strange, when i've caught up some, will ask if anyone has any info 'bout this on the Kate Bush forum (yes, i've been a member for years ), as i've a feeling the admins are (or were) the Homeground editors. You'll be looking forward to the new album next month then? She's interviewed in the current Mojo (and on the cover) - but I haven't read it yet. I recently watched a docu about this where they included archivfootage about one of the court-cases, something about a teen suicide where a band was put on trail because of their lyrics. Or a hearing where they tried to convince the judge that there are satanic messages played backwards on albums. I can´t remember which. But one of the musicans really got under the skin of Mrs Gore with some choice questions. It was a riot. Probably Judas Priest? I think they pointed out that, if they were going to use backwards messages to try to influence their fans, then "Buy more of our records" would make more sense than "Kill yourself"...
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Post by dem bones on Dec 14, 2014 13:50:14 GMT
Seeing as it's Sunday. "As it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of Man ...." Are the 2014 Grammys An Illuminati Satanic Celebration? Has Bouncy really "channelled the spirit of Jezebel" in the Ghost/ Haunted video? Is Kane West the AntiChrist? Iggy Azalea: fashionably under-dressed Aussie rapper or "The Illuminati’s New False Goddess"? Is J-lo's arse the product of black sorcery and therefore in league with dark forces? What of E.L. "Fifty Shades of Grey" James? Author of socially acceptable racy chic lit or pedlar of hardcore porn, luring people away from God and into sinful rebellion? Are twerkers allowed to go to church if they promise not to do it anymore? Is it a sin to watch Avitar? I have no idea, but, fortunately, these good people do. All is revealed at Beginning And End com which also provides an indispensable "How to Get to Heaven" FAQ.
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Post by dem bones on Jun 16, 2017 17:19:56 GMT
Witches, horoscopes, Ouija boards, reincarnation ...
Day by day our senses are bombarded by occult propaganda: books on spiritism, newspaper reports on the paranormal, horoscopes on the radio, while New Age is all the rage. This book warns of the dangers of dabbling with forces beyond our control. It also shows a way out for those who have been spiritually and emotionally wounded by demonic powers. Roger Ellis lays the groundwork for a biblical understanding of the occult and the supernatural, as well as showing us how to take a positive Christian stand in spiritual warfare. ROGER ELLIS is based at the Revelation Christian Fellowship in Sussex. He is a member of the Pioneer Team, and has been a regular speaker at Spring Harvest.Great emotional reunions of our time. The *ahem* "review" up top of thread originates from lousy dem & bride of dem fanzine circa 1995 after I'd loaned a copy of The Occult & Young People from Plaistow library. Had not set eyes on another one since .... until yesterday! I'm guessing that then me was somewhat lairier than current gone to seed model. Would reasonable, mature version still take so aggressively versus Mr. Ellis's doubtless sincerely held beliefs re the Sodom and Gomorrah that is non-Christian rock & pop music, New Agers, Gays & Lesbians, U.F.O.'s, Halloween, Magic Mushrooms, Buddhists, Peter Gabriel's Sledgehammer video .... Having reacquainted myself with book the answer is 'no.' Stuff I'd forgot. 1. Book includes short but welcome bonus Satanic Survivor testimonial. 2. Backward masking. Will admit to disappointment that Mr. Ellis is in agreement with Dr. Strange on this one. "Most of them sound something like this: 'Blop Splurge mooaargh ahoo bloop a gurgle.' I am then encouraged by a zealous anti-rock preacher to believe that this is saying 'Satan is lord,' when in all reality it could just as easily be 'Pass the lard,' or indeed, 'Praise the Lord.' In reality, I believe the controversy of backward masking to be an irrelevant side track .... I don't have to listen to AC/DC's Highway To Hell, the Eagles' Hotel California, or Black Sabbath's Heaven and Hell backwards to see the occult or hedonistic influences."
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Post by ropardoe on Jun 16, 2017 18:04:08 GMT
Having reacquainted myself with book the answer is 'no.' Stuff I'd forgot. 1. Book includes short but welcome bonus Satanic Survivor testimonial. 2. Backward masking. Will admit to disappointment that Mr. Ellis is in agreement with Dr. Strange on this one. "Most of them sound something like this: 'Blop Splurge mooaargh ahoo bloop a gurgle.' I am then encouraged by a zealous anti-rock preacher to believe that this is saying 'Satan is lord,' when in all reality it could just as easily be 'Pass the lard,' or indeed, 'Praise the Lord.' In reality, I believe the controversy of backward masking to be an irrelevant side track .... I don't have to listen to AC/DC's Highway To Hell, the Eagles' Hotel California, or Black Sabbath's Heaven and Hell backwards to see the occult or hedonistic influences." As a vegetarian I'm horrified at the idea that there should be such meat-eating propagandist backward masking as "Pass the lard"! I always suspected as much.
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Post by dem bones on Jun 16, 2017 19:07:53 GMT
As a vegetarian I'm horrified at the idea that there should be such meat-eating propagandist backward masking as "Pass the lard"! I always suspected as much. This was the book got me morbidly interested in Satanic Survivor "non-fiction," the works of Rev. Kevin Logan & Co. There was a religious megastore at Holborn Viaduct kind of specialised in such material. Christ, the looks I got in that place .. Don't know where that "the answer is NO" came from as the answer is a resounding "YES." Teach me not to re-read my nonsense after a last minute edit!
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Post by dem bones on May 11, 2023 10:00:32 GMT
Phil Phillips - Turmoil in the Toybox (Starburst, June 1986; This edition, 11th printing, July 1990) Introduction
Unaware A Startling Discovery Let's Pretend The Bridge to Adulthood Symbols of the Real World The Electronic Parent Commercialtoons Cute and innocent? Masters of the Universe? The Barbarization of our Children The Mind trap From Silver Screen to Toy Box Monkey See, Monkey Do Where Do We Go from Here? BibliographyBlurb A SHOCKING EXPOSE of the toy and cartoon industry. It reveals the hidden dangers found in He-Man and Masters of the Universe, Barbie, Rainbow Brite, G.I. Joe, Smurfs, Dungeons & Dragons, Care Bears, ThunderCats, E,T., Cabbage Patch, to name a few. This book unmasks the New Age, Occult, Violent, and Satanic influences that have invaded the once innocent toy box. TURMOIL IN THE TOY BOX also explains the importance of play, and how toys can enhance or stunt a child's development. In addition, this book provides the reader with an alternative to today's more popular toys. .... and so on, for 190 or so pages before we reach the ads. Poor My Little Pony! Does for children's toys what Mr. Ellis did for pop & rock music. I used to get a cheap thrill reading this kind of stuff, the "Satanic Survivor" self-hagiographies, and what have you. This one just made me sad.
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Post by andydecker on May 11, 2023 10:42:12 GMT
Yeah, the Smurfs will be all our undoing. As far as nutty conspiracy theories go, this isn't even funny. Just psychotic. Have these people nothing better to do?
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